[sg-hub] A new virtual IX in Singapore

Sanjeev Gupta sanjeev at dcs1.biz
Fri Sep 22 12:20:50 +08 2023


Gavin,

We are not doing anything new, as we both agree, there are others doing
this in Europe. I am shamelessly stealing ideas from them.

Why another out here?  Latency kills. With packet loss and latency, ...

Plus I hope this will restart the Singapore Network Engineers Meetup Group
😁

On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, 11:27 Gavin Tweedie, <gavin.tweedie at megaport.com>
wrote:

> For me the big question is why another virtual IX?
>
> There's already several. I understand some are not based locally so higher
> latency - but if being used for LAB/learning latency doesn't impact the
> learning ability.
>
> If you have physical pops, physical backbone then absolutely pick one of
> the local Singapore IXs. If you want to learn then home labs are great, and
> once you outgrow that and want to experiment with others try one of the
> online virtual IXs - but the location of the IX doesn't really matter.. its
> just internet between you and it.
>
> Gavin
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Sept 2023 at 10:30, Sanjeev Gupta <sanjeev at dcs1.biz> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 1:16 AM Anurag Bhatia <me at anuragbhatia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sanjeev
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying to understand what is the benefit from doing it? I understand
>>> your cost point about local loop, cross connect etc. But by having a
>>> virtual IX you are still riding over IP routing of your existing provider
>>> (and so do others who participate in the virtual IX).
>>>
>>
>> Yes, which is one of the reasons I think a local node would be better.
>> But not perfect, of course.
>>
>> There are many things out of my control, even with a local loop; I have
>> no control over physical cabling, MPLS, etc.  At some point, we do what we
>> can.  After all, I drive a Korean car, not a Porsche/
>>
>>
>>
>>> If this is for learning - why not setup private lab. These days you can
>>> do that over cloud providers easily and for reasonable cost (low cost
>>> hourly billing).
>>>
>>
>> The main issue with a private lab is that it teaches me nothing except
>> copy and paste.  At least that is all it teaches *me*, YMMV.  Any mistakes
>> I make, I make on *both* sides, so how would I know?
>>
>>
>>
>>> If this is for running actual production traffic i.e exchanging live or
>>> less important but fun traffic, how is that better than say peer to peer
>>> connection between you and the other network?
>>>
>>
>> I may be wrong here, but the problem with bilateral peering is
>> discovery.  Akamai and HE have Peering managers.  I do not.  With a
>> multlateral IX, I get a foot in the door for free.
>>
>> SImilar to meeting you to discuss IPv8, compared to a Metup Group.  The
>> former has better quality, the latter might answer a question I didn't know
>> I had.
>>
>>
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